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		<title>By: Chips O'Toole</title>
		<link>http://freakgirl.com/blog/whipping-boy-no-more/10779#comment-41573</link>
		<dc:creator>Chips O'Toole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 14:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. happy for him saying it, but he should have earlier. Thanks, Patrick, for using his words against him, well done.

And GB, there's a saying I heard, "when you're a  worm in horseradish, all the world is horseradish." so yes, he can't see outside the bubble, nor can the rest of the administration, apprently, but that is precisely what government need sto do, to see the big picture, so see outside of the sphere of their politics, which is the primary problem with this administration, more concerned with politics than governance. (there's a good story about this in last week's New Yorker)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. happy for him saying it, but he should have earlier. Thanks, Patrick, for using his words against him, well done.</p>
<p>And GB, there&#8217;s a saying I heard, &#8220;when you&#8217;re a  worm in horseradish, all the world is horseradish.&#8221; so yes, he can&#8217;t see outside the bubble, nor can the rest of the administration, apprently, but that is precisely what government need sto do, to see the big picture, so see outside of the sphere of their politics, which is the primary problem with this administration, more concerned with politics than governance. (there&#8217;s a good story about this in last week&#8217;s New Yorker)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://freakgirl.com/blog/whipping-boy-no-more/10779#comment-41563</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 12:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen, GB.  I'm sure life in the Bush White House is a bit like my 99% Catholic upbringing.  &lt;i&gt;All these people I respect believe this crap, and not only that, they believe it with a vengeance.  How can they all be wrong?&lt;/i&gt;

I understand "too little, too late" but I'm going with "better late than never."

As for cashing in, raise your hand if you do your job out of unfettered altruism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, GB.  I&#8217;m sure life in the Bush White House is a bit like my 99% Catholic upbringing.  <i>All these people I respect believe this crap, and not only that, they believe it with a vengeance.  How can they all be wrong?</i></p>
<p>I understand &#8220;too little, too late&#8221; but I&#8217;m going with &#8220;better late than never.&#8221;</p>
<p>As for cashing in, raise your hand if you do your job out of unfettered altruism.</p>
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		<title>By: GeekBoy</title>
		<link>http://freakgirl.com/blog/whipping-boy-no-more/10779#comment-41562</link>
		<dc:creator>GeekBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 12:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://freakgirl.com/blog/whipping-boy-no-more/10779#comment-41562</guid>
		<description>While I'm not willing to give McClellan a full pass, I kind of buy into what he's saying about the fact that when you're inside the bubble, you don't see the bubble for what it is.  That's human nature, and I'm sure we've all been guilty of it.  You get caught up in believing a certain kind of truth because it's the loudest truth you're exposed to, and because everybody around you is reinforcing the notion that up is down, black is white, and they're doing it with such enthusiasm that they can't possibly ALL be wrong, can they?  So you drink the Kool-Aid, you convince yourself the world is a certain way, and it's only later, when you're outside the bubble, that you realize how deluded you truly were.

That happened with me when I lived with my conspiracy nut brother for two years, and started to see things the way he did.  And even after we went our separate ways, it took a long time to stop perceiving and responding to the world in that way.  Because you get conditioned to do it.  McLellan's only been out of office for 2 years.  So if you give him a year to "detox" his brain, and another year to write this book (because he has a right to make money off his unique perspective), then I'd say the timing is just about right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I&#8217;m not willing to give McClellan a full pass, I kind of buy into what he&#8217;s saying about the fact that when you&#8217;re inside the bubble, you don&#8217;t see the bubble for what it is.  That&#8217;s human nature, and I&#8217;m sure we&#8217;ve all been guilty of it.  You get caught up in believing a certain kind of truth because it&#8217;s the loudest truth you&#8217;re exposed to, and because everybody around you is reinforcing the notion that up is down, black is white, and they&#8217;re doing it with such enthusiasm that they can&#8217;t possibly ALL be wrong, can they?  So you drink the Kool-Aid, you convince yourself the world is a certain way, and it&#8217;s only later, when you&#8217;re outside the bubble, that you realize how deluded you truly were.</p>
<p>That happened with me when I lived with my conspiracy nut brother for two years, and started to see things the way he did.  And even after we went our separate ways, it took a long time to stop perceiving and responding to the world in that way.  Because you get conditioned to do it.  McLellan&#8217;s only been out of office for 2 years.  So if you give him a year to &#8220;detox&#8221; his brain, and another year to write this book (because he has a right to make money off his unique perspective), then I&#8217;d say the timing is just about right.</p>
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		<title>By: patrick</title>
		<link>http://freakgirl.com/blog/whipping-boy-no-more/10779#comment-41561</link>
		<dc:creator>patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 06:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://freakgirl.com/blog/whipping-boy-no-more/10779#comment-41561</guid>
		<description>I guess I can't ask for a tell-all book about Bush's child-like decision-making while he's still press secretary.  Then he'd just be really bad at his job.  I guess I wish I could have seen some more Bush-bashing in former administration officials before it became popular (i.e., ASAP after getting the boot), when only the cool kids were doing it.  Now it just comes off as ass-covering, at best.  Some interesting insight, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I can&#8217;t ask for a tell-all book about Bush&#8217;s child-like decision-making while he&#8217;s still press secretary.  Then he&#8217;d just be really bad at his job.  I guess I wish I could have seen some more Bush-bashing in former administration officials before it became popular (i.e., ASAP after getting the boot), when only the cool kids were doing it.  Now it just comes off as ass-covering, at best.  Some interesting insight, though.</p>
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		<title>By: freakgirl</title>
		<link>http://freakgirl.com/blog/whipping-boy-no-more/10779#comment-41560</link>
		<dc:creator>freakgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 21:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, like that would have happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, like that would have happened.</p>
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		<title>By: El Gato</title>
		<link>http://freakgirl.com/blog/whipping-boy-no-more/10779#comment-41559</link>
		<dc:creator>El Gato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 21:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see your point about scales dropping from his eyes, but ultimately this is too little too late.  I wish he had broken away and written his book at least couple of years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see your point about scales dropping from his eyes, but ultimately this is too little too late.  I wish he had broken away and written his book at least couple of years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: chuck</title>
		<link>http://freakgirl.com/blog/whipping-boy-no-more/10779#comment-41558</link>
		<dc:creator>chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 21:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My feeling is that most liberals are just gonna say "SEE! SEE!" and most conservatives will say "he's bitter, it doesn't mean shit" and nothing will change because of it, aside from his bank account.

I suppose that makes me a huge cynic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My feeling is that most liberals are just gonna say &#8220;SEE! SEE!&#8221; and most conservatives will say &#8220;he&#8217;s bitter, it doesn&#8217;t mean shit&#8221; and nothing will change because of it, aside from his bank account.</p>
<p>I suppose that makes me a huge cynic.</p>
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		<title>By: freakgirl</title>
		<link>http://freakgirl.com/blog/whipping-boy-no-more/10779#comment-41557</link>
		<dc:creator>freakgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 21:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://freakgirl.com/blog/whipping-boy-no-more/10779#comment-41557</guid>
		<description>I see your point, but I also think it's a positive sign that the scales are dropping from everyone's eyes. Perhaps next time, we citizens of America won't fall for blatant Administration lies. Of course, hindsight is 20/20. And of course, McClellan wants to sell a book. But when it comes down to it, whether or not he's doing this for his own advantage, the words are out there. Perhaps he wants history to look upon him more fondly. Can you blame him? 

In 2004, when McClellan made those statements about Clarke, he was still working for Bush. Do you really think he would have said any of this stuff while still in Bush's employ? Of course not. At this point, Bush is almost out of office. He can't hurt these people any more, so why not go public with what they really think?

McClellan was one of the biggest patsies of the Bush White House, hands down. His loyalty was embarrassing. So I do applaud him for joining the fray to say, "We were wrong." Because they were, and Bush still is, and just because McClellan's politics are COMPLETELY opposite of mine doesn't mean I can't agree with his words.

Sure, it's the cool thing these days for Republicans to say, "It was Bush! I had nothing to do with it! I knew it was a bad idea from the start!" But aren't you glad they are?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see your point, but I also think it&#8217;s a positive sign that the scales are dropping from everyone&#8217;s eyes. Perhaps next time, we citizens of America won&#8217;t fall for blatant Administration lies. Of course, hindsight is 20/20. And of course, McClellan wants to sell a book. But when it comes down to it, whether or not he&#8217;s doing this for his own advantage, the words are out there. Perhaps he wants history to look upon him more fondly. Can you blame him? </p>
<p>In 2004, when McClellan made those statements about Clarke, he was still working for Bush. Do you really think he would have said any of this stuff while still in Bush&#8217;s employ? Of course not. At this point, Bush is almost out of office. He can&#8217;t hurt these people any more, so why not go public with what they really think?</p>
<p>McClellan was one of the biggest patsies of the Bush White House, hands down. His loyalty was embarrassing. So I do applaud him for joining the fray to say, &#8220;We were wrong.&#8221; Because they were, and Bush still is, and just because McClellan&#8217;s politics are COMPLETELY opposite of mine doesn&#8217;t mean I can&#8217;t agree with his words.</p>
<p>Sure, it&#8217;s the cool thing these days for Republicans to say, &#8220;It was Bush! I had nothing to do with it! I knew it was a bad idea from the start!&#8221; But aren&#8217;t you glad they are?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://freakgirl.com/blog/whipping-boy-no-more/10779#comment-41556</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 21:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://freakgirl.com/blog/whipping-boy-no-more/10779#comment-41556</guid>
		<description>Gah, sorry.  &lt;a href="http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/05/mcclellan_on_telling_all.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Check out McClellan's words&lt;/a&gt; in 2004 when asked about Dick Clarke's book about the inner workings of the administration:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Well, why, all of a sudden, if he had all these grave concerns, did he not raise these sooner? This is one-and-a-half years after he left the administration. And now, all of a sudden, he’s raising these grave concerns that he claims he had. And I think you have to look at some of the facts. One, he is bringing this up in the heat of a presidential campaign. He has written a book and he certainly wants to go out there and promote that book.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gah, sorry.  <a href="http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/05/mcclellan_on_telling_all.html" rel="nofollow">Check out McClellan&#8217;s words</a> in 2004 when asked about Dick Clarke&#8217;s book about the inner workings of the administration:</p>
<blockquote><p>Well, why, all of a sudden, if he had all these grave concerns, did he not raise these sooner? This is one-and-a-half years after he left the administration. And now, all of a sudden, he’s raising these grave concerns that he claims he had. And I think you have to look at some of the facts. One, he is bringing this up in the heat of a presidential campaign. He has written a book and he certainly wants to go out there and promote that book.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://freakgirl.com/blog/whipping-boy-no-more/10779#comment-41555</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 20:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(And by "sooner", I mean, "Before everyone and his Republican uncle realized how much of a disaster this administration has been."  There's something in these articles that smacks of trend-following, as if the theme of the book would be the opposite if the Bush policies had somehow turned out to be justified.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(And by &#8220;sooner&#8221;, I mean, &#8220;Before everyone and his Republican uncle realized how much of a disaster this administration has been.&#8221;  There&#8217;s something in these articles that smacks of trend-following, as if the theme of the book would be the opposite if the Bush policies had somehow turned out to be justified.)</p>
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